look, i will be the first to say, he bombed that debate. it was abysmal. it was a really horrible performance. there are a few more left. i am sure he won't be caught flat footed this time. and the numbers haven't shifted. if you look at pols in the swing states, the dynamics have not shifted. and the president needs to explain to the voters why 4 years from now, we will be better off than we were today and why we are better off than we were 4 years ago. >> that's not true. the polls are showing that mitt romney is getting a significant boost. frankly, if the president is going to say, we need to stay the course with a stagnant economy, that's know going to be a wiping message, if governor romney continues to say, hey, i have a plan to make the economy recover faster. >> i guess, you are right that mitt romney had a plan that he is talking about. but the problem is that he is saying stuff that he is not backing up. >> he has a five-point plan -- >> excuse me. i did not interrupt you. do not interrupt me. the five-point plan has no substance, no basis. it h